Comments on: Paragaming: Good Fun with Bad Games

By: Syzyfowe prace, czyli jak poradzić sobie z niezdaną sesją

Syzyfowe prace, czyli jak poradzić sobie z niezdaną sesją — Tue, 26 May 2020 08:00:56 +0000

[…] J. (2009). Paragaming: Good Fun with Bad Games. (S. Fizek, Tłum.) Pobrane z: https://www.jesperjuul.net/ludologist/2009/09/24/paragaming-good-fun-with-bad-games/ […]

By: Kev

Kev — Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:00:58 +0000

Yep .I think it is unfair to call it a bad game just because it’s
almost impossible to complete (I say “almost” because i believe there
are a few people who claim to have completed it to the end.)
If say it was only a 20 level game instead of 40 then I think the game would have been the perfect difficulty for most gamers.
In fact I remember the reviews of this game in the gaming mags of the
time ,they all gave it great reviews and top marks with 8/10 or 80%+
scores .Yep a great game if youve got the time and are looking for a hard challenge .:)

By: Jesper

Jesper — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:03:38 +0000

Kev,

I recall getting stuck in a level called “The Music Room” (and that was _with_ cheats). Do you think it is unfair to call it a “bad game”?

By: Kev

Kev — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:09:09 +0000

You mention China Miner the c64 game ,this brings back memories for me . This was the very First computer game i ever bought (along with revenge of the mutant camels).
I played it for at least 4-8 hours every day for weeks on end .I never manage to complete the game but I managed to get to about level 30 (without any cheats whatsoever) . Probably the most challengingly hard game ever made and that was probably one of the reasons i kept going back to try and complete it for so long .

By: Mats Frick

Mats Frick — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:06:43 +0000

I’ve got it running on CCS64 now. It’s hard…

By: Jesper

Jesper — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:32:38 +0000

Mats, ah yes – I saw that one. It’s a good alternative to playing the game, but I think one should do both!

By: Mats Frick

Mats Frick — Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:51:31 +0000

Check out Cina Miner here:

http://revver.com/video/401556/electronic-agony-china-miner-part-1-commodore-64/

That guys hould get some award for patience…

By: Mark Sample

Mark Sample — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:02:12 +0000

I really like this concept of paragaming. I see it related to Alexander Galloway’s notion of the countergame. That is, games that are intentionally bad and made to be played in a paragaming state of mind — like Jason Nelson’s work — are countergames, which expose our expectations of what counts as “fun.”

By: Jesper

Jesper — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:13:07 +0000

ijih, wow, thanks for the link. I must admit that I was not aware of this site.

You go as far as calling it a scene? Sounds good!

By: ijih

ijih — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:50:44 +0000

no talk at all of the modern scene?

http://www.glorioustrainwrecks.com/ being a most obvious example

I do like the insight that all games are essentially camp when viewed from a broader perspective. Also like the Greek words; they have a campy flavor.